Two studies of identical design were conducted in battery brooders utilizing male chicks of a commercial strain. The birds were grown to 3 wk on diets with adequate P and from 3 to 6 wk were fed diets ranging from 0.10 to 0.45% nonphytate P (nPP) in increments of 0.05%, with or without supplementation with 800 units of phytase per kilogram of diet. Measurements included BW gain, feed conversion ratio (FCR), mortality, tibia ash, and fecal P content. Nonlinear regression was used to estimate nPP needs for optimizing BW gain, feed conversion, and tibia ash. In the absence of phytase, nPP levels of 0.33, 0.186, and 0.163% were required to optimize tibia ash, BW gain, and FCR, respectively. The estimated level for optimum tibia ash is in close agreement with current NRC (1994) recommendations. In the presence of 800 units of phytase per kilogram, nPP levels of 0.24, 0.151, and 0.109% were needed to optimize tibia ash, BW gain, and FCR, respectively. Fecal phosphorus levels were markedly reduced at the lower P levels. Further studies are needed to determine whether maximum tibia ash values are needed to sustain optimum production of market broilers.